Raw AND Flexible?

[rawpriestess]

Hi, I am probably known for being very certain, or down right rigid in my beliefs. LOL

and that is a good thing, I know what I know I know.LOL

And, I also can learn.

So, right now I have chosen to manifest a yeast infection, not fun, used to have them all the time, when I had multiple partners, now with only one partner, and no yeast infection for many years, I thought I might just be done with it all.

NOPE, so here I am, enjoying this wonderful detox (yeast infection) and doing all that I can to allow it to be cured.

So, after reading many posts, and searching old threads and listening to my body, and all, I decided that maybe I have been too rigid in my previous thinking, maybe, maybe not.

I have read many times how karenisraw has really helped herself with B12, and I have read many tales of what people have done with takin supliments, I know that David Wolfe and Gabriel Cousins have done the fantastic and wonderful 30 days raw video to cure diabetes, which includes suppliments, and one time very recently, I was stating something about not taking a suplliment (sorry can't remember exactly what the thread was) and someone said, "Well, Alissa sells them" and I thought "yeah, why"

So, all life is a process, so I started thinking about all of these things together, and decided that I would start taking some suppliments to see if they made any difference in my body.

I am taking pro-biotics for my yeast infection, and thought that if I have that imbalance, I might have others, I am also taking enzymes and B complex.

I will see if there is any difference in my body and the way it reacts.

This is what I am hopeing to accomplish with this, to get rid of my yeast infection, and to continue losing weight, as althugh I am raw, it is pretty much stopped losing right now, I'm sure I'm healing in other ways too.

and I am hoping to feel a more calming effect in my body.

I will keep you posted of my thoughts and feelings.

I have always said that I think that suppliments are not natural, so I chose not to take them, well, y 50 some years of eating cooked wasn't natural, so maybe I need to counter-act that by doing something not natural, not sure, I'm experimenting here.

I also feel it is okay to change your mind, what I believe one day, may change, as I didn't come into this world thinking this way, so I have learned, experimented and grown thorughout my life, and hopefully, I will be smart enough to continue to learn and experiment and grow.

[gatorgrrl]

I used to deal with yeast issues and I conquered by avoiding all fruit (except apples), nuts, and grains for 1 month. It always cleared up. Also avoid honey anything with sugar with the exception of apples

[Rawkinlocs]

GREAT post RP!

I know what you mean and you're right, people can and DO change their minds...all the time!

I mean, how many of us ever expected that we'd even be HERE, eating THIS way? I know I sure never expected it of myself.

I've always been taught to never say what you're never going to do...you just never know! Sometimes circumstances in life bring you to doing something you said you'd never do or never thought you'd do and that's fine...as you said, it's all learning and growing. If it doesn't work, you can always go back to the way it used to be.

I hope you're feeling better soon, though. Yeast infections...YEEHCK...I KNOW what you are going through...not fun at ALL! (((hugs)))

[ShelShel]

Rawpriestess, you are going to notice such a difference. I am of the mind that a lot of natural healing goes hand in hand.
Our local HFS has an iridologist. Very interesting stuff. Anywho...he looked in my eyes and suggested...licorice (adrenal glands), vitamin b's (nervous system) and food enzymes (digestion). Within the first week I lost 6 pounds and 3 1/2 inches in my tummy. :eek: He said that like starving children you see in other countries, my stomache was bloated because my body was starving...and he was right on the money!
Now here is the thing he said that I loved the most...do these supplements for 3 months to get your body off to a good start and then it should be ready to do it on it's own. These are not meant for lifetime use...but to aid the body's natural healing. ;) So, if it helps you...keep that in mind and really stick with them.
My whole personality is more peaceful and calm...my entire family has commented on this fact.
Also, the iridologist said the best thing you can do to help your body along is give it greens and fruits...yadayadayada....we are doing this with raw...in spades! :D
You are totally on your way to an even healthier Rawpriestess!!!! Congrats at seeing a place you could step out in and for trying it! Good for you! :)

[squidly]

Just wanted to say that I love how youalways put yourself out there and I admire your honesty and thoughts in every post.

I have always liked the Southern American Slaves Prayer which goes like this:

Oh God
I ain't what I ought to be and I ain't what I am going to be but thanks to you I ain't what I used to be!

We change, we grow and that is a good thing.

Good Luck RP

[divaitalia]

RP-
I always love your honesty. You are always so good at knowing who you are and what you are doing here. Always knowing that maybe you can change a thing or two with your thinking. That's great.

I am also haveing problems with taking the supplements but as ShelShel said, you can do them for a couple of months to get your body back in balance and then go without. This is what I am going to do also. It scares me but hey, I also have the option of changing my mind and my course.

Divaitalia ;)

[rawpriestess]

I just want you to know that I love you all, and I'm not changing my mind on that one!!!


You guys are so great, thanks so much for your words of kindness and wisdom.

Update, my yeast infection is sooooooo much better, (thank Goddess) and I am a little tired today and yesterday after taking the suppliments, and slept really hard last night, woke up feeling great, so --- so far-- so good.

Oh, and I LOVE the prayer, first time I ever heard it, but it speaks so loudly to what we are all doing here, doesn't it?

[karenisraw]

Rawpriestess,

I am so glad you are especially taking the B-12. I was kind of worried about you but didn't want to push the issue.

The funniest thing. I gave my co-worker who has ADD a B-12 methylcobalamin suppliment today at work. He typically is VERY hyper and just all around kind of immature and tries to get attention. He most of the time seems easily distracted and goofs off a lot. After about 20 minutes he just calmed down and all of the sudden was acting very mature like an adult. I thought that was interesting. It was like night and day. I think he noticed it too but did not know what to say. It was kind of funny to see the difference. It was like all the sudden he became an adult.

Also, about the probiotics make sure you get enough because you need to overtake the bad bacteria with the good. If you don't have more good than bad bacteria, then you cant get control of it. I got rid of my yeast infection in four days. I think you probably already read the thread about that though.

About the sleeping. When I first went raw (100%), for the first 2 months, I had major insomnia. I thought this was because I was eating so healthy that I had tons of energy. I thought it was also from the coconut oil too which it probably is to a point. I have read that insomnia can be a lack of B-12. The first time I took a multivitamin and mineral suppliment, I was completely knocked out and slept the whole next day after I took it and I only took half the recommended amount. I felt like it was my body making use of these nutrients that made me so tired. Once I started taking B-12 I started to sleep much much better, more normal hours. I now pop right out of bed in the morning and hardly even rub my eyes and I am ready to go. I used (on SAD) just barely be able to get up in the morning with a huge effort. So, your body may be just be so excited to have all these extra nutrients that it is busy making your body even more healthy and therefore you are maybe just a little more tired than normal. For me, I got a less tired as time went on and it's only been a few weeks.

The longer I have been taking the suppliments, the less tired I feel but I am sleeping sounder and have happier dreams even very funny ones. Overall, I am much happer. I also happen to be taking high doses of B-12 methylcobalamin and I notice that it makes me kind of tired more than when I take just the normal dose.

Make sure you get your essential fatty acids. 2/3's of your brain is made of fat so you NEED it. Dont be shy about it.

k

[rawpriestess]

thanks karenisraw, I appreciate your concern, and your not pushing, as that is exactly what caused me to think instead of re-act or rebel against the idea.

that makes sense about the sleeping, on SAD, I had terrible insomnia, and once I went raw it was great to be able to sleep, then if I ate any SAD, wow, I'd be up again all night, so its a great reason to stay raw.

[karenisraw]

RP,

Oh, also, after about a week of taking the suppliments, I noticed that I began to lose weight a little faster than before the suppliments. I brought this up to my RVD and he nodded his head like that is what happens when you get enough nutrients. I researched and noticed than many vitamins and minerals and suppliments are required in the body for the breakdown, metabolism and emulsification of fats in the body. It would make sense then that I was now getting enough of these nutrients to do these things more efficiently. I also can eat quite a bit more and still not gain, in fact, I lost another half pound in the last few days and I have been eating like a king. You may notice that you get more hungry. Secret Heart and I discovered that we both began to eat more since taking B-12. I however, have not gained weight and have even lost.

k

[Faithfullyfit]

RP,

Have you ever used Tea Tree Oil? It is a natural antifungal and is used quite
frequently for yeast infections, fungal infections (i.e. athlete's foot and nail fungi) I also use it on my dog's when they get that yeasty thing going on in their ears! Here is a more descriptive link: http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10081,00.html

It also has many other beneficial properties :)

Blessings to you!
Faithfully FIT ;)

[faith4u]

RP,

Oh, also, after about a week of taking the suppliments, I noticed that I began to lose weight a little faster than before the suppliments. I brought this up to my RVD and he nodded his head like that is what happens when you get enough nutrients. I researched and noticed than many vitamins and minerals and suppliments are required in the body for the breakdown, metabolism and emulsification of fats in the body. It would make sense then that I was now getting enough of these nutrients to do these things more efficiently. I also can eat quite a bit more and still not gain, in fact, I lost another half pound in the last few days and I have been eating like a king. You may notice that you get more hungry. Secret Heart and I discovered that we both began to eat more since taking B-12. I however, have not gained weight and have even lost.

k

Karen, What other supplements does your raw dr. tell you to take?

That is very interesting about the ADD co worker. I will have to share that with a friend of mine whose child has ADD.

So do you take B12 daily?

I looked at mine before I went to the hfs today and mine (B-dots) didn't tell what the B12 came from.

So I picked up some of the kind you suggested and took it when I got home.

Do you take it on an empty stomach? Or a certain time of day?

Wow, lots of questions.....

Thanks

[karenisraw]

Hi Faith4U,

My doctor wants me to take the following:

Neuromins (DHA form algea instead of fish)
Cenitol from Metagenics company (inositol and magnesium)
Ceralin from Metagenics (brain suppliment, I can't live without it)
Absorbable B-12 spray by MEND
Glycogenic B-Complex by Metagenics

I just take my B-12 on an empty stomach.
I also have other things I take additionally once in a while. These are calcium/magnesium, pantothenic acid, vitamin c, vitamin e, flaxseed oil, B-Right by Jarrow, B-12 1000 mcg by Jarrow, zinc, and L-Glutamin. This last group of stuff I take as needed when I feel the desire or need for it. Not daily or regularly.

We are in the process of finding out why I need so much just to function properly. It will probably be a few months as I cannot afford all the tests all at once.

k

[luvnraw]

I also have adrenal issues. I just started taking B12 from Gabriel Cousens sight maybe 2 weeks ago but have been doing it every other day....what type of licorice do you buy?
Thanks ~ Christi

[ShelShel]

Christi, I take Nature's Sunshine. It's called Licorice Root. (Supports Adrenal Gland, provides Lymphatic Energy, and supports proper sugar balance.) I take two with a meal three times a day. ;) But you don't have to take herbs to get this...any form of licorice is good for you then. (teas...etc..) I hate the flavor of licorice, so, I opted for the herb form. Hope this helps!

[luvnraw]

Thanks alot, I will do some research on that and look into the herb form but I love licorice and do drink herbal licorice tea just haven't in awhile.....It makes a great suntea when you like the flavor so I will do that while I look into the other! Thanks for the information and have a great day! :p

[lily]

Others have said it, but I want to add my voice, Raw Priestess: it is so refreshing to hear someone change their mind, and so gracefully, as you have done.

Being open to change means being open to growth and possibility... it feels so good, the opposite from being 'stuck' and closed....

There was a famous Buddhist abbot at a monastery quite near to where I live. He trained his monks always to end everything they said with the words 'not certain'... this is so freeing. I often think if everyone in the world did this, what a different and more tolerant place it would be.

love from lily

[tvillemom]

I bought some B-12...but I think it's the wrong kind...it starts with a c...not the "m" kind...where do I find the "m" kind? I bought the "c" kind at an herb store???? Why didn't they give me the right kind?? :( I trusted them!! :rolleyes: Oh well....just goes to show you, don't trust anyone.
Wendi

[sigtau66]

Because I recently attended a Paul Nison lecture, some of the things he talked about are still in my mind. This topic is kind of one of the things he talked about. He recommends taking 4 different supplements to compliment a raw lifestyle. He recommends probiotics, enzymes, Vitamin D, and Vitamin B12. B12 for obvious reasons (stated many times on these forums) and Vitamin D because almost everybody is deficient in Vitamin D (get outside in the sun more!). I can't remember what he said about probiotics and enzymes, but just that he recommended them.

And of course he sells them on his webiste. ;)

[ambiguous]

Thanks everyone for your posts . . . this has inspired me to take supplements again, since I've been wondering whether I'm getting all the nutrients I need in sufficient quantities.

I've been thinking about vitamin D lately . . . it is hard to get enough from plant sources, and I know I don't spend enough time in the sun to be sure I'm getting enough. Also, with all the "extra" toxins we're exposed to with electronics all around, breathing inside air, not to mention plain old pollution from burning fossil fuels and other manufacturing processes, I think my body could probably use some extra nutrients to help it to run its best. I also think that humans evolved with at least some animal foods as part of their diet on a pretty regular basis, and our bodies probably developed a need for nutrients that were most available in this form. Since I am an ethical vegan and there is no way I'm going to eat animal products to feel better, I think supplementation is a great way to help me be healthy and ethical. At least until somebody can guarantee that they have a whole-foods vegan diet that will provide me with all my nutritional needs--many have tried, but I see alot of quacks out there, including in the world of raw vegan nutrition.

Not to mention the fact that our bodies need to adjust to digesting all raw foods after years of eating primarily cooked foods, and they may need a good amount of time to adjust and to digest raw foods optimally . . . not to mention plain old genetics, which may mean that my body can't digest certain things; I know my body doesn't know what to do with gluten, and I wouldn't be surprised if I had other, quieter sensitivities that are keeping my body from absorbing the nutrients from what I eat.

Anyhow, hooray for us, whether we decide to supplement with pills or powders or parsley . . . or all of the above.

Oh yeah, and the most important part of this thread changing my mind . . . I stopped taking my multi (soon after I started) when I realized it made me tired, but now that I read that others have had this experience and moved beyond feeling tired, I feel like I too can move ahead with supplementation, even if it's only for now. I'll just take it at night for a while. This morning I wondered why my smoothie, which was packed with raw-food goodness, made me feel so tired . . . maybe my body was saying "Wow, this is some great stuff! Stop everything while I use these nutrients for fixing some things around here!"

[veganman]

Oh yeah, and the most important part of this thread changing my mind . . . I stopped taking my multi (soon after I started) when I realized it made me tired, but now that I read that others have had this experience and moved beyond feeling tired, I feel like I too can move ahead with supplementation, even if it's only for now. I'll just take it at night for a while. This morning I wondered why my smoothie, which was packed with raw-food goodness, made me feel so tired . . . maybe my body was saying "Wow, this is some great stuff! Stop everything while I use these nutrients for fixing some things around here!"

Hi Ambiguous -

I also get tired after smoothies and thought it was because of the fruit....

RP - I would recommend Grapefruit Extract....it is awesome for fungal type things.

I stopped taking all of my supplements and started Garden of Life Living multi because it is more natural. I agree that we need B12 and D. Has anyone confirmed from Red Star that nutritional yeast is not raw?

[jjonak]

I started taking a calcium/Vitamin D supplement and a prenatal vitamin supplement (which has lots of B-12, although I do have to look and see if it's the right kind). Both are liquid, which I need, because I hate swallowing pills. I add them to my green smoothies in the morning, and it has made me feel better. After reading Karen's B-12 posts, I didn't want to fool around and figured it couldn't hurt, even if just for peace of mind.

RP, what a great post!

[rawfigure]

I also feel it is okay to change your mind, what I believe one day, may change, as I didn't come into this world thinking this way, so I have learned, experimented and grown thorughout my life, and hopefully, I will be smart enough to continue to learn and experiment and grow.

Life is a Journey full of twists and turns in the Road. I think the key is to continue on the Journey and learn and share along the way !

I hope you continue to improve. BTW remember my tummy issues ? I followed the advice to just eat fruit and tender greens and I am much improved !

[karenisraw]

Tvillemom,

Here is a good site for vitamin B-12 methylcobalamin. My RVD feels this company produces mid-high quality suppliments. If you want a good B-complex I would recommend B-Right by Jarrow.

http://www.jarrow.com/product.php?prodid=57 (B-Right)

http://www.mysimon.com/Nutrition/9000-10954_8-0.html?sdcq=dnatrs-jarrow_formulas/dfllTrail-Jarrow%20Formulas (B-12 methylcobalamin)

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/content/search.jsp?intsource=skudetail&q=Hard+To+Find+Supplements

K


k
:)

[livingatthetop]

Rp you are so great . You sharing you issue have made me realize what I was missing as well. :p

Thankyou and I wish you luck in everything that you do. Can't wait to see you accomplish your goals.
I believe in you

Sincerely Shernell :)

[veganman]

Here is a site with prices about 50% less.

KIR -

do you do the 1000 or 5000? Either is a lot of B-12. Do you know why your RVD recommends such a high dosage?

[rawpriestess]

you guys are all so marvelous,


raw figure, I'm happy for you, and your tummy. :o)

and everyone, I'm feeling sooooooo much better, the yeast seems to be gone, or at least it isn't bohering me any more, I took Karenisraw's advice, and took more than suggested of the pro-biotics, I am taking a double dose.

I know alot of people expect me to have alot of the answers to their questions, and I do my best to answer what I can.

Just recently I mentioned how I don't use honey, and a couple of people said, hey, you talk about washing with it, what gives?

and although I don't feel I need to explain my life or choices to anyone, I didn't want people to be confused by my stating how I wash with it then I say I don't use it.

I had actually read a forum here and decided to be totally vegan, instead of using honey for anything, and that feels right to me.

but I also didn't want anyone confused about my taking suppliments, because even just a week or so ago, I was adamantly aposed to them, and again, I don't want anyone to think I wasn't being truthful, or I wasn't clear or somthing.

I really appreciate all your kind words everyone.

It makes me feel so loved and cherished, that you all care.

big group hug mmmmmmmmm

and I also want to say, that I like the enzymes, not sure why, I can't really put my finger on it, but I think they feel okay in my body.

I know the pro-biotics is a good thing, so will keep with that for a while.

I do need to get on a schedual, as I keep forgetting to take them, it is so foreign to me to take pills, LOL

I have them sitting on my desk, and then I can't remember if I took them or not, do I need CoQ10 also? LOL

So, live and learn and live life with passion, will be my NEW motto.

blessings to all, including ME!

[Cinnamon]

Ah Rawpriestess, I am so glad you are feeling so much better! I too always state to people who ask me about my diet that I do NOT supplement, that my body gets everything it needs from what I eat, but have changed my stance on that one lately.

I am supplementing due to a precancer condition and trying to build my immune system to fight it off. I kinda felt like I had to eat my words when I'd get the raised eyebrow look when others would question me about this?!

I don't notice a change in how I feel but do believe this is helping on the inside. It is hard to get used to taking them on a schedule like you mentioned, I put everything on a plate each morning along with the 2 glass jars (Green tea extract and vegan DHA) and try to take it all throughout the day. If by bedtime I haven't taken everything then you know what my bedtime snack is! Ha!

I'm so glad to hear you are healing and yes we learn new lessons all the time don't we?

[karenisraw]

RP

I am not really sure about the CoQ10. I have not researched into that yet.

I seemed to have found a vegan source of DHA (60% of what your brain is made of). It is called Neuromins DHA. Recommended by my RVD. It is from algea. He wants me to be vegan as possible so this is in place of the fish oil I was taking for my concentration problems. It helps at least as much as the fish oil if not more.

k :) :)

[karenisraw]

do you do the 1000 or 5000? Either is a lot of B-12. Do you know why your RVD recommends such a high dosage?


Veganman,

I actually brought the up the subject of taking high doses of methylcobalamin to my RVD. I told him I had heard that high doses can repair neurological damage and asked him if I could have his approval to do that. He said yes as I seem to have more than my share of neurological problems. It definately is repairing especially the left side of my brain which is where I have problems, (math, science etc.)

Even if I did not have any neurological damage and just wanted to suppliment to be sure I had enough, I would still take 1000 mcg per day. I feel comfortable with that.

k
:) :)

[veganman]

RP -

glad things are working out. A couple other thoughts I had were to try Rejuvelac or Sauerkraut for probiotics.

Also, what brand of probiotics and enzymes do you find helpful?