Constant Tummy Ache

[rawfigure]

I have had a nagging full stomach feeling for four days now. If I drink water I have a full feeling to my stomach, a small bite of food I feel like I ate a full meal !

I skipped dinner last night, as I had a few dehydrated peas form "justtomatoes", and then was so full I did not eat again for 8 hrs and had 1/2 large apple. I woke up hungry has water and 1/2 banana and I am really full in the tummy. Usually I get a Gut ache but this is higher clearly stomach. Anyone ever have this ?

Only thing changed in diet this week is I reduced nuts & seeds to minimum, bought some just peas from justtomatoes to snack on, and I added more fruit to my diet.

Any thoughts, suggestions, appreciated !

[rawnora]

Hello,
Since you stopped eating foods that compete with the healing process (because they are difficult to digest), your body may actually be healing faster and your symptom may be a sign of that. What you're experiencing may be what most people misinterpret as hunger. It isn't really hunger at all, it's cleansing, and it stops when we eat dense foods like nuts, seeds, gourmet recipes, cooked foods, etc., because the body can't cleanse and digest these foods at the same time. Healthy foods like fruit and tender greens are easy to digest so they don't stop this process, or at least not to the extent that fatty and complex foods do. For a detailed explanation, my essay on 'emotional eating' may be helpful: http://www.rawschool.com/emotionaleaters.htm

Getting fats and dense foods out of the diet is a good thing because it allows cleansing to happen faster but it can also lead to backsliding because these cleansing feelings are unpleasant and can make us feel desperate to stop them. So, rather than 86ing all fats out of the diet, it's best during transition to just manage the feelings by eating only as many fats and dense foods as is necessary to keep yourself from eating worse foods, like cooked fare.

The bottom line is that the pain you're feeling is a symptom, it's a sign your body's trying to resolve a problem. When your body's busy, it shouldn't be given any more work to do. To convert food to fuel requires work for your body. If you must eat while you have this symptom, it would be best to eat the most easily digested foods, like fruit and tender greens (lettuce, baby spinach, celery), by themselves or in simple combinations. If you can do without food completely (just sip water, when you're thirsty) till your stomach pain stops, that would be even better.

Best of luck. Perseverance pays. :)

Nora
www.RawSchool.com

[misslinda]

RF, sounds like upper stomach (acids)......any changes in bm's lately?

any pains or other discomfort?

[rawpriestess]

you might conside a fruit fast, just eating only juicy fruits, until this passes.


that is what I do, whenever I don't feel "right", just eat your most favorite fruits, like melon or oranges, etc. easy to digest, and gives you the energy you need to function.

I hope you feel better soon.

[rawfigure]

Nora, You are probably right, a healing episode of some sort due to more fruit less nuts & seeds in the diet. I definately am not interpreting the tummy feeling as hunger, the opposite, no hunger at all. and the thing is I am full when not eating, not hungry and I have not been eating more than a bite or two of anything, I Jogged 5 miles Fri and 6 today and still not hungry !! and so far today 1/2 banana, 1/2 grapefruit and a few berries. Tender Greens are a good idea I use loads of them already, my favorite meal !

Miss Linda, yes BM's less for sure, not normal, they changed a few days ago. I started to notice the change on Wed...when I ate an Orange for my first meal, I was so full after that for 4-6 hrs, usually fruit does not stick with me that long, then an apple, ate raw peas, red cabbage and a green drink that day, and gotten worse each day since then and reducing food to minimal. As the days have gone on my BM's have reduced I have gas now too. Odd !

Hey RP I think you give me good advice too, so I think I will go on a fruit diet, alkaline ones I can handle for a few days some tender greens with them if I can tolerate.

Hopefully this will pass quick !

Off to store to raid the Organic fruit section !

[misslinda]

I got the same response with oranges too. For sure bm's slowing down possibly bakcing you up..........

The thing that works for me is keeping added fats out and doing a banana in the morning or puree banana with spinach.

Soft sweet fruits. Sweet ones are eaiser than citrus.

:)

[rawfigure]

Miss Linda,

Thanks for your help. I always shy away from Banana's, as a Young Adult in College they gave me migranes, then I thought them "bad" too from a sugar stand point and would make me gain weight !! :rolleyes: I just started eating them in the last few weeks, no headaches ! Oh what I have been missing ! Tonight I had the banana puree. I will try it with the spinach.

It is funny this all started with an Orange. That is the first orange I have had in about 30 years ! It tasted good but I recall as a child I could not eat them or drink the juice. I would get wicked tummy aches. Some things don't change do they !

I am going to eat light sip water and do as you all suggest ! I will keep you posted on my progress.

L.

[misslinda]

Interesting! When I eat oranges,tangerines or the like, my bowels get stunted too. I'm going to look into this more also........

Yes keep us posted about you BM progress :p

[juliebove]

I'm thinking it could actually be the fruit causing this. This is what most fruit does to me. I ate no fruit whatever for many years because just a bite or two would cause terrible stomach pains. Someone I know surmised that it might be the natural sorbitol in the fruit since anything artificially sweetened with sorbitol also has this effect on me.

Eventually I discovered that I can eat strawberries and other berries and can also eat grapefruit and have lemon and lime juice. The fruits that we eat as vegetables, such as tomatoes are not a problem at all. But melons for some reason are killer for me! I can't eat so much as a bite of melon. I can eat a bit of apple or pear but even then if I eat too much I am sufferering.

Luckily I don't care for the taste of most fruit so avoiding it isn't a problem for me. I eat a lot of salads and celery. If my stomach is acting up, I juice some lemons and limes using about 1/2 the amount of lime juice to lemon. I drink this in some really cold water. That seems to help.

[karenisraw]

rawfigure,

Why are you eating minimal nuts and seeds? It's none of my business, I just get concerned. I just discovered that I had neurological damage from dieting, bulemia and cutting out fats as well as depriving myself of food when I was still hungry. Make sure you are a good amount of fats and B-12 methylcobalmin because they are essential to proper brain function. That is one reason I had depression forever because a lack of these things. Just making sure you are getting all your essentials.


With care,
k :)

[ambiguous]

I totally agree with karenisraw--you absolutely need fats in your diet. fats are important for proper peristaltic action in the intestines and can also calm inflammation, so what you're experiencing may be a result of too little fat. It may also be a result of too much sugar; the sugar may be fermenting in your system and causing you to bloat.

If you're really worried about weight, use coconut oil; it will speed up your metabolism. But also be sure to get some omega 3s in there with walnuts and/or flax. And I think everyone should check out this page on some people's experiences with a raw low-fat low-protein diet: http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/hotline/Jan06_hotline.html

And I love those peas from Just Tomatoes . . . but remember that they're dehydrated, so please drink some liquids before and/or while you're eating them. I don't know whether this is the case with you, but think that raw foods people forget that since eating raw generally means that our bodies get used to eating lots of water in our foods, that we need to provide extra water when we eat something dehydrated, or our bodies can't deal with the food correctly. Which I think is probably why some people don't feel good after eating dehydrated foods, rather than food combinations.

[Rainbow]

Hi rawfigure,

I was feeling the same as you a week ago, and I felt the liver was under the pressure. Then I just stop eating for one day, and I felt so much better...to help ease the healing crisis, i just drink more juice and a bit smoothie..I feel so good now..
I read Rawnora's essay a long time ago and I think she is right. The body is doing the healing..

much bless

[rawfigure]

karen and ambiguos...

I understand your concern about my reducing my fat consumption. I did reduce it but that is because I felt i was eating to much. I was finding myself eating less greens through out the day, then eating almonds and Seeds, then skipping meals. I could live on pumpkin seeds and Almonds, and that is simply to mono eating for good nutrition. I get really busy at my Profession and find it easy to grab the easy foods like Almonds and skip meals. From a Nutrition stand point that is not good as i do not eat enough food in a day to get the proper nutrients in if I do this,

So I try to eat a few (2-3 up from 0-1) pieces a (non sweet type) fruit and greens in place of nuts. I am still eating Pumpkin seeds daily and Almonds every day or two, and Flax daily.

I am still around 25% fat and maybe 15-20% protein daily, so I think that is OK ratio to get the Fats I need to be healthy. I am trying to drop 4 pound for summer by running more, not diet changes. I already eat minimal food. I eat like a bird, truely amazing ! what I survive on ! Hopefully after more time on Raw my metabolism will correct from a lifetime of Low Cal dieting and competition dieting.

I wish I liked Coconut & its oil....ugh..I have tried to like it, maybe in time.

[moonstone523]

you might conside a fruit fast, just eating only juicy fruits, until this passes.


I, too, am feeling very bloated and full. And it still doesn't stop me from eating anymore though!
:(

Today I did a fruit fast. But I have been "gin lening" as we say in Thai "eating for fun" because I'm bored and not working and well.... excuses, ecxcuses, excuses.

Am I eating too much???

Breakfast:
orange, watermelon, and a mango fruit salad

Snack: orange and un-ripe mango and jackfruit (I was at a Thai co-workers and we went picking fruit in the garden... and well gin-len while planning.

Lunch: full from snacking

Snack: As I was cutting up my jackfruit to put in the fridge I ate a good deal of it. And then I cut up mangoes to freeze, and sucked the extra off the seed.

Dinner: Mango, Banana smoothie (A HUGE cup) and some jackfruit.

Am I eating entirely too much? Why can't I control my food intake. Damnit!

[rawfigure]

I wouldn't say you are eating too much, but for me on a regular feeling normal day that would be alot of fruit !

Try adding a few greens into the mix for nutrient round out !!

[bootzey]

I get like this whenever I eat zuchinni. I had to journal to figure out where it was coming from.