question about detox

[jjsmommi2]

you know, i tried to do the atkins diet before, and i went on an "induction" in the beggining. that was just eating meat and cheese and nothing else for 17 days. day two into it i got violently ill, almost had to go to the hospital. took 12 hours to get over. i asked on their atkins forum what happened and they told me i was going through "detox" just like you guys are telling me. that my body was "Detoxing" all of the sugar and carbs. now, i'm detoxing off of the raw foods diet also, but its very very mild and i feel wonderful. of course, the atkins people say that if you can get over the detox phase, you start shedding pounds and are consumed with energy and well being.

my question is this, (not knocking atkins at all but i am curious) why, when you go through the raw diet, you "detox" and also "detox" on atkins? you would think it would be opposite, that if you detox on one, then you would not on the other. they are polar opposite diets.

anyone have any thoughts on this? i'm really curious.

[misslinda]

Hi! Welcome and warmest wishes to you........

I'll offer my personal thoughts. First of all, the body is [always] detoxing no matter what diet or way of life. But, let's not confuse detox as a result of cleaning your body vs "withrawl" depriving your body In terms of true concentrated detox thru means of food lifestyle change for cleaning and healing.........


Raw food lifestyle offers everything your body need to nourish, cleanse,detox,rebuild,rejuventate and most importantly reconnecting with your inner true self. ;)


In all other "diets" there is something always being sacrificed wether it be caloric intake,fats,carbs,salts etc so anytime the body is given some type of "rest," detox is sure to happen more rapidly......at the same time, all these other diets don't reveal what suffers or becomes deficient for example" high protein diets and overworked/enlarged liver is one basic effect. Their GOAL is to lose weight (very aestheric approach) not "heal" you. There are thos diets that may indicate "detox" when in reality it is a sign that your body is negatively recting to the change and giving you clues that something is not right ........whereas raw, it's about nourishing your health to heal which results in weightloss as I see it.

[MangoMommy]

It is very interesting that you asked this question because the Atkins diet was the first step of my journey to get where I am today. My diet before starting the Atkins consisted of many carbs & sugary foods. The same thing happened to me on the second day!! I was so sick...headache, vomiting, etc!! I didn't realize what was happening and broke the diet with a soda and started again the next day. It wasn't until later I found out I was detoxing. I liked the idea of the diet because I cut out the sugar and carbs but eating all that cheese really made me feel "yuck"!! It didn't feel "right" to me...I stumbled across a raw website after searching for "almond butter"...that was about 1 year ago. I dabbled in raw all last year and it felt "right" to me and I've been 100% raw since Jan...no looking back!!

[MangoMommy]

sorry..i didn't actually answer your question there..I just assumed my detox was not as bad with raw because I had already gone through my initial intense detox with atkins. IMO if I had started out with raw and not atkins it probably would have been just as bad..

[ljannise]

This is the 1st time I've ever heard the word "detox" associated with Atkins. HOW can you detoxify with a heavy dose of toxins??? That just doesnt make sense to me. All that will do is get you hooked on what it is you're throwing into your body.

The Raw Food diet is not a sham & that's a HUGE difference.

We all need to detox of MANY things... metal, parasites, dairy, etc, but we dont consume other toxins to get us through that. (I see the major cleanse brands that use chemicals to enforce this toxins as well)

Raw food isnt something that was JUST invented. Ppl have been doing this even before the 1800's. Comparing this to something like a fad diet makes me feel uneasy.

I refuse to beleive ppl consumed poison to get rid of poison.

And you're talking to someone that tried everything in the book. Did I lose weight? Hell yeah. How did I feel? How did I LOOK? Like c r a p. Just because there is weightloss, that doesnt mean it was the RIGHT thing to do.

[misslinda]

Oki, I just reread your post OP. I thought Atkins was all Leafy greens and protein??????

I assumed I know Atkins but if all you ate was cheese and meat........ugh, that's scary!

I take it weightloss is a major issue for you?

[Rawkinlocs]

I'm thinking that the word "detox" and "withdrawals" might be the issue here. I mean, anytime you are used to putting a (toxic) substance into the body and then you stop, there will be some "withdrawal" symptoms. What I'm NOT sure of is if the two words (detox and withdrawals) can or should be used interchangeably.

So, perhaps with the Atkins diet, although you are still putting animal products into the body your body DOES, indeed, go through withdrawals because you are no longer consuming the sugar and carbs. So in essence, while one (bad) thing (the animal protein) may still be being consumed, you have eliminated another (bad) thing (the sugar/carbs).

Just like when a person goes from eating meat to vegetarianism or veganism...although they are still consuming cooked food items, still consuming starches and grains...they have eliminated meat and other forms of animal protein and thus, will experience many of the same "detox" symptoms (headaches for example) that we tend to experience when going raw due to having eliminated the animal products from their diet.

Those are just my thoughts on this.

[ljannise]

MissLinda, on Atkins, it's ALL meats, ALL cheese, eggs, & little to no greens because your 1st 2 weeks are "induction", which ppl seem to never stick to so when they go off track, they have to start "induction" all over again.

For those that get over "induction", they can add a TINY BIT of greens until they start gaining weight because they've added too many carbs that their body can handle.

It's all so stupid. Yes, ppl can lose weight, but it's not liveable. These ppl only do it for a few months at a time. MAYBE a year, but it's not likely.

[ljannise]

I'm thinking that the word "detox" and "withdrawals" might be the issue here. I mean, anytime you are used to putting a (toxic) substance into the body and then you stop, there will be some "withdrawal" symptoms. What I'm NOT sure of is if the two words (detox and withdrawals) can or should be used interchangeably.

So, perhaps with the Atkins diet, although you are still putting animal products into the body your body DOES, indeed, go through withdrawals because you are no longer consuming the sugar and carbs. So in essence, while one (bad) thing (the animal protein) may still be being consumed, you have eliminated another (bad) thing (the sugar/carbs).

Just like when a person goes from eating meat to vegetarianism or veganism...although they are still consuming cooked food items, still consuming starches and grains...they have eliminated meat and other forms of animal protein and thus, will experience many of the same "detox" symptoms (headaches for example) that we tend to experience when going raw due to having eliminated the animal products from their diet.

Those are just my thoughts on this.

You dont stand alone. I def stand by this comment. Withdrawls sound so much more realistic.

[jaurequi]

jjsmommi2 (cute moniker!),

Whenever you change your diet so radically you will experience uncomfortable changes. The Atkins diet is less "detox" and more of a reaction to foreign antigens :). Meat and dairy are not optimal foods for human beings; and so the body reacts. Fruits and vegetables cleanse and nourish;
Both cause reactions but for different reasons.
If you are truly interested in the science of this, please read, THE CHINA STUDY (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1932100385/103-1188606-8586263?v=glance&n=283155), which will show you very clearly, in a very easy-to-read way.

Best,

[misslinda]

WHoahhhhhhhhh, like Atkins is a program sure to do harm imo.

That's a gret point Rawk. I can see how it can be used interchangeably b/c detox is something that the body is always doing or attempting to do..............and yes, to make it more understandable, and I will revise my first post, withdrawl would be appropriate so we don't mislead people or confuse the distinction---- :)

[MangoMommy]

Well, whatever I went through whether it was "detox" or "withdrawal" it definitaly was real and I felt horrible. I think that drastically changing any diet and to abrutply stop consuming large amounts of sugar, carbs, highly refined and processed junk food like I had been eating practically my entire life is definitely going to cause a reaction to a body. I am not saying that Atkins was good for me because if i thought it was I would probably still be doing it. In fact, I personally don't know of anyone who sucessfully stayed on Atkins very long at all. I was first drawn to Atkins because of what I was no longer eating as mentioned above and soon found it wasn't right for me. I really didn't have much weight to lose it was more of a health issue.. I know!! I first thought atkins was healthy!! :eek: Please forgive me!!! I just knew I needed to make a change in my diet and that was part of my journey.

[Tombi]

Hi jjsmommi2,

This has been said before but I like the saying..."it is not WHAT you ARE eating that helps you lose weight and gain better health, it is what you ARE NOT eating that helps you lose weight and gain better health"

If you are eliminating certain things from your normal SAD that contribute to toxins that hinder the benefit of your health than your health will improve slightly even if yu are eating other toxic foods. For example if you are on a "diet" and you eliminate everything dairy your health will improve somewhat because you eliminated dairy and all the things that dairy contributes to poor health. So in your case you eliminated everything but meat and cheese. You were not eating so many other things doing that like dairy and complex carbs. However, you may have benefited but the ultimate way to optium health and weight loss comes from ALL those things you eliminate while eating fruits, vegatables, nuts and seeds from a Raw Food Lifestyle.

Therefore because of what you are NOT eating you detox/"withdraw" from while improving your health. Again optium health is acheived through eating completely "100%" raw.

[ljannise]

Tombi, I always look forward to your posts.

[Rawkinlocs]

Totally agree! Well said Mama Tombi! :)


Hi jjsmommi2,

This has been said before but I like the saying..."it is not WHAT you ARE eating that helps you lose weight and gain better health, it is what you ARE NOT eating that helps you lose weight and gain better health"

If you are eliminating certain things from your normal SAD that contribute to toxins that hinder the benefit of your health than your health will improve slightly even if yu are eating other toxic foods. For example if you are on a "diet" and you eliminate everything dairy your health will improve somewhat because you eliminated dairy and all the things that dairy contributes to poor health. So in your case you eliminated everything but meat and cheese. You were not eating so many other things doing that like dairy and complex carbs. However, you may have benefited but the ultimate way to optium health and weight loss comes from ALL those things you eliminate while eating fruits, vegatables, nuts and seeds from a Raw Food Lifestyle.

Therefore because of what you are NOT eating you detox/"withdraw" from while improving your health. Again optium health is acheived through eating completely "100%" raw.

[Tombi]

I know a little song wanna hear it...hear it go

Ya gotta go through it ta git to it!
You can't stop with what ya got!
Nah Nah! :D

[dreamrawalwz]

I havn't read all the comments so I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned. I think the reason you "detoxed" after going on Atkins is because your body knew it wasn't the right thing and was detoxing all the meats, eggs, cheeses, that you were only feeding it. I'm sure it was also detoxing from the breadsn and sugar so you got a double wammy!

[rawpriestess]

Paul Nison explains this too,

it's what you eliminate from your diet that makes you lose weight etc.

not what you are eating, and as far as I know, ALL diets eliminate processed sugars and carbs.