understand detox process

[Rainbow]

Hi here is a link to help us understand the detox process.
I feel relieved and hope, for my eczema spreads over my legs, much worse than before. It is in the healing. THe skin is the last organ to clear up. Just be patient.

http://www.eczema-natural-healing.com/eczema-healing.html

happy with fasting,

[lavendarJ]

Rainbow...I am happy to be fasting too. I put myself on another fast because I felt as though I just haven't received what I need from the last one....thanks for posting the article, going to check it out now

[Rainbow]

Lavendar, me too. I put myself on another fast after my first fast. I am in day 10 now of second fast. This time, i am more patient to give my body time to heal.
My kidney and liver are in healing period. I am feeling sharp kidney pain and pressure on my liver.
The path we are walking is full of hope. what kind of difficulties I encounter, I will not stop till reach the goal.

I drank half bowl of spinach juice and half bowl of brocoli juice. I love the taste so delicious.

May God guide you go through the difficulties in the fasting.
much blessing



Rainbow...I am happy to be fasting too. I put myself on another fast because I felt as though I just haven't received what I need from the last one....thanks for posting the article, going to check it out now

[THX-1138]

detoxification must first take place

This is complete nonsense. Not only is detox not necessary, but can be harmful. Rapid expelling of toxins in the body can cause serious and sometimes permanenent damage, including as serious as brain damage. There's nothing preventing one from removing toxins from the body in a slower and safer way. This whole detox idea is nothing but an offshoot of unscientific dogmas and guru worship. Its yet another stain on raw foodism.

The sort of activities that this link is proposing is completely unscientific in its assumptions is very irresponsible.

[RowanC]

This is complete nonsense. ... This whole detox idea is nothing but an offshoot of unscientific dogmas and guru worship. Its yet another stain on raw foodism.

The sort of activities that this link is proposing is completely unscientific in its assumptions is very irresponsible.


My, you're very passionate about your opinion!
So, you're saying this, but I'm seeing photos of a lady who is healed. Can you give evidence to support your viewpoint?

Not everything "scientific" is truth, by the way... many healings would not be supported by science.

And I'm puzzled .. I can't figure out how this puts a stain on raw foodism?

[THX-1138]

Here is an article that discusses the dangers out detox diets. It basically hits the mark on most of the major points.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/dieting/detox_diets.html


many healings would not be supported by science

Then they cannot be legitimized objectively.


And I'm puzzled .. I can't figure out how this puts a stain on raw foodism?

There are many stains on the raw food community that give it a bad name. Guru worship is probably the most damaging. The Enzyme Myth (pseudoscience) that the gurus spout as gospel which legitimate science easily refutes time after time. And again, the detox obsession is another. Fad "foods" such yacon syrup and cacao (neither of which are healthy our natural) also contribute to the blot of stains. These failings, with guru worship at the spearhead are what is holding raw foodism back from being legitimized and respected in the scientific community.

[RowanC]

First of all... your article against "detox" doesn't really say much to me. It doesn't even say who authored it, did it? Maybe I didn't see it, but ANYONE can write an article. The other article had photos and personal experience. That carries more weight for me than "scientific evidence." There is "scientific evidence" that eggs, milk, cheese, coffee, and chocolate are all good for you! You can find "scientific evidence" to support basically any view you want to support.. and that is the truth! Who do you think pays for conducting the "scientific trials?" Do you think that the soy industry, for example, may have put a bit of money into the "scientific evidence" that destroyed the coconut oil industry? Big money buys "scientific evidence." Read that again.. BIG MONEY buys scientific evidence... it's meaningless. Most of it isn't even conducted correctly.

If I have one woman showing me photos of her horrible eczema and she tells me that using a particular diet helped clear it up.... and if I have the same problem and the doctors haven't been able to help me with their "scientific" and "educated" guesses about what might be causing it... I'm gonna do what she's doing unless it involves jumping off a cliff.

About Gurus... well... depends... Jesus was one. I dig him and I'm not Christian. Just depends on how far you're willing to follow them and where they're leading. If they're leading to a spring of fresh water.. I'm going too! If they're leading to death and destruction, well, that's why I have intuition.

Intuition and instinct are different, by the way, and involve different aspects of me. Intuition tells me there's a wolf around the corner... instinct warns me to run!

[THX-1138]

First of all... your article against "detox" doesn't really say much to me. It doesn't even say who authored it, did it? Maybe I didn't see it, but ANYONE can write an article.

Listed at the end of the article is the author a peer reviewer.


The other article had photos and personal experience. That carries more weight for me than "scientific evidence." There is "scientific evidence" that eggs, milk, cheese, coffee, and chocolate are all good for you! You can find "scientific evidence" to support basically any view you want to support.. and that is the truth! Who do you think pays for conducting the "scientific trials?" Do you think that the soy industry, for example, may have put a bit of money into the "scientific evidence" that destroyed the coconut oil industry? Big money buys "scientific evidence." Read that again.. BIG MONEY buys scientific evidence... it's meaningless. Most of it isn't even conducted correctly.

Which is why we must be critical thinkers and question conventional wisdom. But doing so should not involve antecdotal evidence (like presented in the original post). That isn't science. Science is objective and can be peer reviewed. Arguments for the enzyme myth, chocolate is good for you, coffee is good for you, milk is good for the bones, and so on are pseudoscience which can be easily debunked with some knowledge and an objective outlook. I agree that the food/agriculture/pharmaceutical industrial juggernaut is evil and spews lies, but we shouldn't be countering their arguments with equally as absurd claims like David Wolfe and Doug Graham do. We should be telling people the truth.


If I have one woman showing me photos of her horrible eczema and she tells me that using a particular diet helped clear it up.... and if I have the same problem and the doctors haven't been able to help me with their "scientific" and "educated" guesses about what might be causing it... I'm gonna do what she's doing unless it involves jumping off a cliff.

Sometimes detoxing can be jumping off a cliff. There's no reason why one cannot follow a healthy raw vegan diet that doesn't involve detoxing. It may be slower, but will be equally as effective and not nearly as stressful or dangerous which detoxing is.


About Gurus... well... depends... Jesus was one. I dig him and I'm not Christian. Just depends on how far you're willing to follow them and where they're leading. If they're leading to a spring of fresh water.. I'm going too! If they're leading to death and destruction, well, that's why I have intuition.

It isn't that simple. If health "gurus" are preaching ideas that are not true, they shouldn't be listened to. Simple as that. And the problem with most raw gurus is that people blindly follow them and buy into their pseudoscience. And then people start calling themselves "the foremost expert" on a particular subject, of which any truly knowledgeable and objective person can clearly see, they are not.

[Rainbow]

Hi RomainC,

Sorry for my bringing things to cause debate. I did not intented too.
The truth is in living experience of real persons not in the scientific articles.
Universe is so hug and scientific research is only a drop of ocean.
Guru is a guide who has walk the path and who know how to get there.
Let us forget about arguement and stay peace.

with peace and love to all!





First of all... your article against "detox" doesn't really say much to me. It doesn't even say who authored it, did it? Maybe I didn't see it, but ANYONE can write an article. The other article had photos and personal experience. That carries more weight for me than "scientific evidence." There is "scientific evidence" that eggs, milk, cheese, coffee, and chocolate are all good for you! You can find "scientific evidence" to support basically any view you want to support.. and that is the truth! Who do you think pays for conducting the "scientific trials?" Do you think that the soy industry, for example, may have put a bit of money into the "scientific evidence" that destroyed the coconut oil industry? Big money buys "scientific evidence." Read that again.. BIG MONEY buys scientific evidence... it's meaningless. Most of it isn't even conducted correctly.

If I have one woman showing me photos of her horrible eczema and she tells me that using a particular diet helped clear it up.... and if I have the same problem and the doctors haven't been able to help me with their "scientific" and "educated" guesses about what might be causing it... I'm gonna do what she's doing unless it involves jumping off a cliff.

About Gurus... well... depends... Jesus was one. I dig him and I'm not Christian. Just depends on how far you're willing to follow them and where they're leading. If they're leading to a spring of fresh water.. I'm going too! If they're leading to death and destruction, well, that's why I have intuition.

Intuition and instinct are different, by the way, and involve different aspects of me. Intuition tells me there's a wolf around the corner... instinct warns me to run!

[lavendarJ]

Rainbow there is no need to apologize...everyone has an opinion. I am sure that if you are like me, you have done your research.

THX-1138 I not sure what your experiences have been but I don't view detox as a diet. For me, detoxing is as natural as it is to cleanse the outside of my body. I have had nothing but pleasant experiences. Aside from some weight loss, I feel better than ever and have great BM's (without all the sluggish SAD food). I have always done some type of detox -from drinking a daily tea, to cleansing with fruits combinations, vegetable juices, herbal supplements,etc- Everyone is different and everyone's body responds differently. The article does not offer anything concrete and I believe that the most important thing is to listen to our bodies, have a sound and clear understanding of where we are in terms of present states of physical health. Along with this, I try to be informed about anything and everything that I do to or put in my body. Detoxing in my opinion, is not an offshoot of raw living and has nothing to do with guru worship. Detoxing is a tool that has been utilized for decades upon decades. There are numerous types of detoxes and I believe that the important thing is to be aware and informed about it all.