Where are the men?

[Shivananda]

This just hit me.... it's so obvious I dunno why I didn't notice it earlier, but it was kind of startling once I finally did notice it. Not only are most of the posts here in this forum from women, but I'd guess that more than 90% of the journals in the 30-Day Challenge area by women. What do you suppose is going on here? Where are the men?

Is it because women still do most of the food preparation at home, so they think more about the subject?

Is it because women are more concerned than men about their appearance and youthfulness, so they're drawn by those aspects of the raw diet?

Is it because women have more food issues or more illnesses than men?

Is it because men are more oriented to meat and potatoes as being appropriate manly meals?

Is it because men are less chatty, and just go about doing their raw food things without talking about it?

Or what? Why do you think there are not more men participating in this discussion about raw food and its benefits? :confused:

[karenisraw]

I guess men are not as attentive to things that will help them emotionally just like they are less liekly to keep a diary at home, set up specific times with their spouse or significant other to "communicate" with each other, or spend time "just to take care of their spiritual and emotional needs". I think women are more likely to try to prevent an nip problems in the bud than men are. I also believe women are more open to self nurturing. These things are what journaling is about.

k
:)

[JoJo]

I think men are less likely to post.

JoJo

[JMD]

I must agree with Karen.....i think some men are just not "trained" at a young age to journal and write their feelings and concerns--esp if they are considered "weaknesses". I teach 5th grade and encourage journaling in my class...many girls get right to it and write 54 lines where the boys write 4?! Maybe it is just in the genes or culture. I know my hubby likes to tackle things alone versus ask for help.....drives me crazeeeee!!:)

JMD

[PATH301]

Shivananda,

This just hit me.... it's so obvious I dunno why I didn't notice it earlier, but it was kind of startling once I finally did notice it. Not only are most of the posts here in this forum from women, but I'd guess that more than 90% of the journals in the 30-Day Challenge area by women. What do you suppose is going on here? Where are the men?

Is it because women still do most of the food preparation at home, so they think more about the subject?

Is it because women are more concerned than men about their appearance and youthfulness, so they're drawn by those aspects of the raw diet?

Is it because women have more food issues or more illnesses than men?

Is it because men are more oriented to meat and potatoes as being appropriate manly meals?

Is it because men are less chatty, and just go about doing their raw food things without talking about it?

Or what? Why do you think there are not more men participating in this discussion about raw food and its benefits?

Yo Shivananda,
1.) There were two of men - but I lost my anchor man, so now I'm surround by this motley crew of women, which is good and bad :D
Are you offering to jump and grab the anchor?

2.) I don't know the actual statistics on this question - but from life experience. From a guy's point of view/ my point of view: If you don't learn about cooking your choices of good food intake will be limited. Now I 've had women in the past who would cook for me, but back then I didn't really care what I was eating - just so long as I was getting some food/ and loving :D. Of course I was eating terrible foods all sad stuff. And I was in terrible shape.
And sometimes I could cook alot better then they could. I could go on but I won't.
3.) being more concerned about body and diet?
I think anybody- man or woman who's interested in being healthy and in great shape inside and out will pursue anything they can ,to get the job done.
- part 2 of your question is about body apperance. - Have your personally ever meet or known any body builder's or someone into particular sport - they, man or woman are usually obessed with their body's performance, what they eat, how they work out, we keep lots of journals to track our performance.
4.) about being chatty? you may be right about that one!
5.)Why there are not many men on this board, maybe all these woman on here, the ones that are married and their husbands are raw, are just figuring that their wife is handling it for them? And the single one's maybe they know that it's a hassle to try to get a guy to change from meat and potato's to going raw? Who knows?

[misslinda]

LOL.....this comes up every now and then.

Hi by the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)


IMO, I think most men tend to have a very simple/practical approach. If they have the book........they read and do it. If they come here....they read the threads and do it. Less inclined to be emotional about it---typically.

Seems like us women are little more "process" oriented and like to either discuss or read the details. Plus we are "Chatty Kattys." We're more emotional creatures.

Again, only my opinions. ;)

[PATH301]

Shivananda go and find the post from DOE, in the phot0's and journal area about who has the most post's. Missgrasshopper, (misslinda) here is into the thousands - she's a chatty- katty :D

[misslinda]

OMG, did I also say men have "selective memory" ;)

[PATH301]

so...we do :D

[misslinda]

........what was the question?


heading to the restroom with a pack full of other gals,
ml :)

[PATH301]

I'm not even going there... :rolleyes:

[Forever Young]

And maybe it's because when men do post we get either no feedback, or no positive feedback. Forever Young :cool:

[misslinda]

::: dope ::: someone high 5 me man........it's kinda like when a woman asks "am I fat?" no win situation for the man...

[cosigns with Forever Young] :D

[rawpriestess]

Forever Young,

I think you are right, I have a wonderful friend he is a wizard, shaman, High Preist, and he loves to organic garden, he used to be on this board, all excited about raw, was picked by two members, he believes life is too short to associate with people like that, so he left.

Then my hubby singed up, posted a few times, and he enjoyed being here, but he is usually outside in our gardens, or building on our house.

So, while I'm writing on my books, I can take a break, come on over here and post a few times, but he's outside, for him to sit down inside, in front of the computer, log in, find this site, find a few threads he wants to post on and post then read some more, it's a major undertaking, especially for an outside kinda guy.

So, that is two different guy's stories through my fingers.

[pinenut]

If I may add my 2 cents.....

I'm in a long distance relationship with my fiance who lives in the States (in Wyoming) and he is not only a long time meat eater, he is a ravinous junk food eater. But his metabolism is such that he can consume literally thousands of calories a day and still stay rail thin and fortunately through good genes, stay very healthy. Therefore he has a tendency to believe that my desire to eat only raw, vegan foods is a "passing fad" to try to loose weight. He does however support me wholeheartedly, he'll just never follow the lifestyle that I have chosen.

This leads me to believe that most men just do not feel as "in tune" with their health and well being as women do. Men cannot bear children and will never know the pain and frustrastion of being being a woman (hormones, menstration, etc.) so they are not as in touch with their bodies as women are.

I am only 31 and have already experienced ovarian cancer, a broken back, endometriosis, lichen planus related to systemic lupus, and an array of other hereditay diseases including diabetes, high blood pressure, stroke and cancer that I am very aware, scared and sensitive to that I think most men don't necessarily think or worry about.

Living in the Caribbean, I have found that men and women alike are not educated at all about health, exercise and nutrition and it's relationship to longevity of life. Men in particular are trained from an early age, here, to simply "please your base instincts whenever you can". It truely is a survival of the fittest down here and if it doest immediatly gratify whatever need or want, then don't bother with it....whether that desire/need be food, alcohol, drugs....whatever....

[Vandy]

I remember TimmyC used to be online a lot... WHERE ARE U TIMMYC??!!!


It makes me sad when people disappear...

[Forever Young]

Thanks misslinda and rawpriestess, I've thought about getting off this site as a lot of women have a lot of men issues they need to deal with, but I just ignore them instead. Forever Young :cool:

[PATH301]

Forever Young,

Thanks misslinda and rawpriestess, I've thought about getting off this site as a lot of women have a lot of men issues they need to deal with, but I just ignore them instead. Forever Young

I agree with you, I choose to ignore certain points of views, other views are very informative. :)

[misslinda]

......i'm sorry whatcha say Forever Young and Path???? :p

[rawpriestess]

I LOVE the ignore button.

Vandy:
I believe Timmy C said he had a family commitment, and would be back when he could. I miss his sweet energy. No judgements, no challenges, just sincerity.

PS, Dragggon is lurking over my shoulder and says he will be posting more during the summer, when he thinks he has something of interest to share, such as organic gardening, and his never ending quest to find the best use for
--- shall we all say it together?


Almond pulp ---ta da !

[PATH301]

I feel a trap coming on:
misslinda -
::: dope ::: someone high 5 me man........it's kinda like when a woman asks "am I fat?" no win situation for the man...

Let me refrase my agree post: There are some posts that are for women to respond to. I may see them but choose not to post - because they more female oriented than male. :D

[Vandy]

Thanks rawpriestess!

[theresaann]

PATH301~

I appreciate your man's point of view. My experience is that men want to be "taken care of" in terms of their health, and if not by a partner, then by a restaurant. And you are right on, if you don't learn to cook then you probably won't be into making raw food recipes either. My partner refuses to even look to see where the blender and juicer are even kept on our kitchen. If I make it, he eats it, if I don't, he'll go to restaurant. I think he used the toaster once....it's a little disconcerting. But hey, no judgements, then eh?

and your other great points-if someone is REALLY wanting to improve their health, they do invest time and effort into learning new things, making healthy foods, going to the gym, or whatever they do.

It really just comes down to desire-do ya wanna or doncha? it's not a man-woman thing. I think women are just maybe innately more self aware, self responsible for their health cause biologically we are wired to be responsible for others' health. Who knows? just my two cents....

[monkeyboy]

Hi Everyone,

Yep...I miss ol' Timmy C. too. We were like cold pressed oil and purified water.

My friends think I'm a bit crazy and they raze me pretty good.

On the side ,they are very impressed with my results ,now 2 years raw.

It's a macho thing.

We continue to drink plenty of wine and play cards every Wednesday.


Peace from the preppie colony,

M.B.

[Maria]

Guys, I'm happy you're on here!! I like the male input, and for you being on this diet you must be very special indeed!

Maria

[Forever Young]

Thanks Maria, four years and counting. Forever Young :cool:

[Debrah]

I believe there are more women than men who are vegetarians, and women are more likely to reach out for community and support.

[Forever Young]

Hi Debrah, That may be, men are used to doing what needs to be done, we don't ask for support unless we really need it, in my opinion. Forever Young :cool:

[RawTruth]

I don't think this board represents what is going on in the "real" raw world.

I have a personal circle of raw friends/acquaintances that numbers 20 to 30 and it is about equally split between men and women. There are definitely not more women. Same thing with the raw restaurants and events I attend.

However, many of the men don't fuss with recipes ... and much of the discussion here is about just that. They just mostly DO it rather than talk about it.

Also, I think many of the women on this board work out of their homes or, if away from home, have access to a computer throughout the day.

[Forever Young]

Amen, RawTruth. Forever Young :cool:

[rawpriestess]

I do know that in the raw community there are many men,

Sergi Boutenko
Igor Boutenko
Paul Nison
David Wolfe,
Chef Sprout
Julianno
Chad Sarno
Jeremy Safron
etc.

So, there are plenty of guys around

I also know that when I go to pot lucks and lectures, that there are usually more men than women, now that I find interesting because there seems to be more women on this board, or at least posting on this board

[Shivananda]

I don't think this board represents what is going on in the "real" raw world.

Thanks RawTruth, that's my experience too.

When I was being introduced to all this in NYC, over the last 5 years or so, it seemed like pretty equal participation to me. Lots of gym rats and yoga buffs and weightlifters and models and dancers and marathon runners and cyclists were already doing raw food before I ever heard about it, it was already well accepted in the rave and trancedance scenes, and men seemed to be doing most of the food prep for whatever prepared raw food I could find to buy in markets and restaurants.

If anything it appeared that the most prominent shakers in the live food movement were predominently men, much more so than women... people like David Wolfe, Norman Cousins, Juliano, Dan Hoyt, Rick Dagger, Charlie Trotter. And even here and now on Boston's north shore, the people I'm talking to about raw food and raw restaurants and doing raw events are mostly men.

But I don't see those men here on this board much, and it was startling to first realize that.

And I just wondered why folks thought that might be so. Why is the participation here on RawFoodTalk so markedly different from what's going on out there?

And I just got a news flash as I typed those last words...

I'll be back. Film at 11!

[Shivananda]

I also know that when I go to pot lucks and lectures, that there are usually more men than women, now that I find interesting because there seems to be more women on this board, or at least posting on this board

Thanks for reminding me of the Boutenko family. I took a class with them too, and while Victoria was more up front, the men were a solid presence and essential part of the presentation.

Yes, the offset in postings here is quite dramatic. A casual glance at the 30 Day Challenge area shows maybe 10 women journaling for every 1 man. And the posts show roughly the same proportion. I have no problem with it. I'm just curious why it might be so.

[RawTruth]

I think the scene in NYC must be very different than other parts of the country/world. Just a glance through www.welikeitraw.com shows a raw reality that's very different than many of ours -- though, again, what is there shouldn't be confused with what everyone in the area is doing; I figure, as in everything, there are those who publicize and those who just live it.

[prana]

Please remember that his board was formed by a woman, based on a book written by a woman with mostly woman moderators.

Would you post on a site put together by jocks based on raw food? Do we really have a hard time imagining why guys don't post when the entire system was set up by the opposite sex?

I agree with RawTruth, this forum does not represent the real world. Most guys enjoy living life, not talking about it.

[PATH301]

prana,

Please remember that his board was formed by a woman, based on a book written by a woman with mostly woman moderators.

Would you post on a site put together by jocks based on raw food? Do we really have a hard time imagining why guys don't post when the entire system was set up by the opposite sex?

I agree with RawTruth, this forum does not represent the real world. Most guys enjoy living life, not talking about it.

I just scaned through Alissa's book - there's about 10 pictures of guys in it and 16 pictures of woman plus numerous ones of the author.

I'll go back to purpose of my first post to this thread. If a person,( male or female), is interested in achieving a particular goal in their life they will do whatever they have to to acomplish it.
That being said, This guy, does not care if a guy or girl started this site, or about the sexes of the mods, or what race or what spiritual belief......What I do care about and the main reason that I'm glad that this board was set up to help people. To learn to grow to experience from other people who are doing it and those who maybe in the same area that I am learning.
I bought Aliss's book because I believe she has insight in area's that I need to know in order to be successful.
If I had known about Raw living 10 - 12 years ago- my life would of taken a different path. But it was not the right timing for me.
Is their alot of woman on here...ah yes.....do I really care no, do I as a guy participate in all the threads no...only ones that pertain to my path area. Some of the female stuff obviously doesn't apply to me but I have family members, friends that are female. So this information may apply to them.

I am very thankful for this forum and for how I've learned from the great leaders here. My Path / journey is changing and my knowlegde is always growing and because of the people on this forum and thier wisdom. I am able to apply it to my life and then in return help others from what I've learned and put into practice. :)

[RawTruth]

Prana - I don't agree at all with the notion that like flocks to like. David Wolfe's board is populated by both sexes. So is Doug Graham's.

But, that's not what I dropped in here to say, actually.

This is:-- PATH -- your avatar picture always makes me think you have angel wings on!!! Well, half a set, maybe. Cool, huh?!

[PATH301]

RawTruth,

This is:-- PATH -- your avatar picture always makes me think you have angel wings on!!! Well, half a set, maybe. Cool, huh?!

hey RawTruth,
At first I didn't notice it, then one night I was surfing through one of the post and trying to find some info, and I noticed that it was sorta flying. So yah it's kinda cool. Maybe my other wing is only seen from another realm??? :D

[monkeyboy]

Hi Everyone,

It's time to make Monkeyboy a moderator.


Peace and chicken grease,

M.B.

[Arky]

This thread feels familiar, eh, Monkeyboy? :D

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1262


J.

[misslinda]

RawTruth,


hey RawTruth,
At first I didn't notice it, then one night I was surfing through one of the post and trying to find some info, and I noticed that it was sorta flying. So yah it's kinda cool. Maybe my other wing is only seen from another realm??? :D



...that is interesting. matches the horns as well. ;)

[monkeyboy]

Hi everyone,

Yes, Arky is correct, I've brought this subject in the past.

Shiv is new so we'll see if he's worthy.

So far so good.



Peace,

M.B.

[PATH301]

Arky,

This thread feels familiar, eh, Monkeyboy?

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1262
hey thanks for the thread Arky.

misslinda,

...that is interesting. matches the horns as well.
Watch out misslinda....... :D lol.......whatever

[misslinda]

ugh, are we in need of a male bonding thread?


promise keepers,
ml :p

[monkeyboy]

Hi everyone,

Not to blow my own horn, but I was/am an original FOUNDING member of this site ask by Alissa herself to join Rawfoodtalk.

It was and still is an honor.

Though I consistantly get edited by Rawkinlocs and Sweetgoddess ,I keep coming back because I love raw food and the true message of health.


Print and save this post............everyone.

Peace,

M.B.

[misslinda]

.....can you cybergraph mine MB? :p

[monkeyboy]

Hi Everyone,

Misslinda...ah what is cybergraph?

Was that something you learned at Swathmore?

Just kidding...where's my Sharpie?


Peace,

M.B.

[misslinda]

LOL..........I'm frickin dying........yur killin me--that was too funny!

:D

[monkeyboy]

Hi Everyone,

Linda,

Are you drinking Saporo?


Peace,

M.B.

[misslinda]

EEEEwwwwww don't partake. :p

water,tea kinda being,
ml

[Debrah]

I certainly don't take this board or any cyber forum as representative. Over my lifetime I have met more women than men who identified as vegetarians. But in any case, I simply wrote what I believe, and I do not pretend to have data to back this up.

>>Would you post on a site put together by jocks based on raw food? Do we really have a hard time imagining why guys don't post when the entire system was set up by the opposite sex?

Women join forums and groups and professions that were founded and run by men every single day. Why would men be reluctant to post on a site set up by "the opposite sex"???

>> Most guys enjoy living life, not talking about it.

Women enjoy living live AND talking about it. We can do both! :p

[THX-1138]

I tend to find women more conscientious and altruistic than men in general. According to one study, (by VRG I believe) 87% of all veg*ns in the US are female and 65% are so in the UK. Generally when comes to anything more progressive or altruistic, women are more dominant. Women are more likely to vote liberal, women are more likely to volunteer, women are more likely to donate money to charity and so on. Of all the veg*n or raw message boards that I post on, women usually dominate. I belong to a local animal rights group in my area... and I'm the only guy! :eek:

[Shivananda]

Here's what I noticed about my own participation here...

I started out just reading posts here, picking up information that way. Then, when I started my 30 Day Challenge, I came here a lot more to immerse myselve in a supportive conversation and try to keep me out of dark corners.

And I happen to have the time to do this right now, and the interest. Otherwise I'd probably just be reading, getting the info I want, and moving on.

In other words, I wouldn't normally come here looking for community so much as information. The regulars here, I would venture to say, are more looking for community than for information.

And that, in a very general way, is more a feminine approach to things than a masculine one.

[rawfigure]

The regulars here, I would venture to say, are more looking for community than for information.

And that, in a very general way, is more a feminine approach to things than a masculine one.

Well my husband says "women have more words to get out by the end of the day..". I have worked in a "Man's World" for 25 years and for the statement above...SO TRUE. I find I have picked up that trait, I seek INFORMATION. I find this site has great info, resources links, and if you want support it is here too !