Little frustrated!!!!

[karenbeel]

Hi my name is Karen and I am pretty new to the board I have posted a couple of times but haven't introduced myself until now, this forum is wonderful with such a wealth of information and help I'm glad to be a part of it. I live In MN but from the UK originally. Anyway I have been raw for the last 3 months and doing pretty well but still have a health issues of course one being candida amongst others.

However I am a little frustrated, I have seen in the past week a few members have asked Questions about candida and alot are saying keep to a lowfat diet which I am doing and sugars in fruit are not the problem which does seem to make sense. Anyway I decided to try this theory and I have noticed when in the past couple of days that alot of my symptoms seem to increase stiffness in the neck and shoulders also achey knees :( . I drink 2 16oz Green smoothies in the morning with no fruit and then if I get hungry I eat a papaya with a frozen banana whipped up in the food processor or just a few pieces of fruit or dates and at night a large green salad with different veggies and no dressing. However not long after I eat any kind of fruit the symptoms start. My BM's have increased since doing this which is great but are these just die off symptoms or something else?, the candida flourishing?. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated. I really need to put my mind at ease I don't want to be causing more harm than good if you know what I mean.

Thanks again in advance for your help.
Karen :)

[Indi]

Hi Karen
this works for me.....

Here are some posts collected from Vegsource by one of their members, Jack the Rawguy. The posts are all about candida written by Doug Graham:

To not get yeast infections, healthful living is imperative. This includes following a lowfat raw vegan diet. After all, yeast infections are not separate from the rest of your health. There are no conditions for which healthful living is contraindicated.

Yeast's growth, like that of all other life-forms, is limited by the food supply. Sugar is a must in our blood, or we die. Yeast lives on sugar. It is normal to have yeast in our blood.
When blood fat levels rise, so does blood sugar. This creates the possibility for a virtually unlimited food source for the yeast-sustained elevated blood sugar-hence a bloom of the yeast. Normally, when a yeast bloom occurs, they consume all the excess sugar and quickly die off for lack of food. But with higher fat consumption levels, hence higher blood fat, sugar is abnormally delayed in the blood. It can get in, but cannot get out, essentially.
A candida bloom is the result.
It doesn't matter how much sugar you eat, for everything we eat is converted to sugar if it is to be used as fuel. It matters how much fat you consume. Hope this helps.
Dr.D

Q. I have a yeast infection and have read that i should avoid fruit because the sugar "feeds" the yeast.
A. My answer to the candida question? Do not consume sugars at the same meal with fats. No nuts and dried fruits. No bread and butter. No oils in candy desserts. No milk in your chocolate. Raw fooders suffer candida, like everyone else, because of this combination of foods, primarily. When you eat fruit, make a meal of it. If you want avo, nuts or seeds, eat em with tons of veggies, not with dates.
In health,
Dr. D

Sustained high blood sugar can result in a bloom of candida. Simply eating fats and sugars at separate meals is all that is required to rectify this problem, as sugars only 'build up' in the bloodstream in the presence of fat.

Do not mix fats with your sweets and you should not have a problem. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Dr D

Q. How do you respond to someone saying they can't eat raw fruit because they have Candida?
A. Fruit didn't cause the problem and fruit is not the current problem. The problem is 'sustained elevated blood sugar'. They must lower blood sugar before raising it again by eating. They must make it easy for sugar to exit the blood stream, which it can only do in the absence of fat. I tell candida sufferers to get the fat out of their diet for a while.

In 20 years of private practice I have talked to hundreds of women who have had this experience. This has been my advice: A short water fast. Usually 36 hours is enough, sometimes it takes 48. That simple.
Dr D

In the presence of fat, it requires extra insulin for sugar to exit the bloodstream. Elevated sugar in the blood will result in a bloom of yeast. However, there is always sugar in the blood, at a relatively stable level, regardless of dietary choices. So the 'sugar is the enemy' concept simply does not hold water.
Regarding bananas, all foods are hybrids. Bananas hybridized naturally, by nature, long before we ever got a hold of them. They are as sweet as ever. I have personally tasted seeded wild bananas, they are as sweet as any others.
Trust yourself.
Regarding microbes: I don't agree that the body only has them if they are beneficial to the body, but you are close. Microbes only exist where conditions are favorable for them.

The body must go through its own transitions, anatomically and physiologically as it adapts to a new dietary and lifestyle regimen. Yeast infections can be a part of that transition, especially if a person is eating a mixed diet of raw and cooked. Any grains make it especially problematic, imo. So, while the blood sugar metabolic problems may have overtly disappeared, the propensity for these problems will probably be with you for many years. Hence it is easy to overload on sugar, resulting in spikes in blood sugar that often lead to infections. Remember that over 90% of Americans have sugar metabolic problems and we can easily see why candida is so big these days.
A simplified diet for a week or so is usually enough to beat the candida. A week of melons, or bananas or whatever will often do the job. No need to give up fruit. Often, simply being vigorously active (to lower blood sugar) before meals will be enough so that when the fruit is eaten it just brings blood sugar back up to normal rather than overflowing.
Dr. D

Candida results from a condition of sustained elevated blood sugar levels. This can happen from chronic overeating, from impaired pancreas function, from adrenal exhaustion, or, most likely, from the overconsumption of fats. 8/1/1 reduces the likelihood of overconsumption of fat but does not address the other issues. These must be corrected as part of a healthful living program.
Dr D

Happy healing.... :)

[karenbeel]

Thank you Indi for your reply I really appreciate you taking the time to post it's all very interesting info and like I said does seem to make sense. I am however still a little weary though because of the return of my symptoms as soon as I have the fruit and thats why I am a little frustrated not knowing what to do for the best :(, do I stick with it for a while and see what happens or do I keep on this road and hope my symptoms don't get any worse. What are the results that you have had and what were your bodies initial reactions to the higher fruit consumption?.
Thanks again
Karen

[misslinda]

Karen,

I'm sorry you are feeling frustrated. Hello by the way and glad to hear from you here.

I approach my auto immune slightly differently. I used Edgar Cayce's recommnedation after coming across this site in conjunction with raw foods

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8766&highlight=fibromyalgia

there are other links as well thru out the thread.


I have recovered 80-90% percent and continuehealing


:)

[Beanie]

Have you tried the OTHER approach? Restrict all sugars including fruit! Low glycemic. Worked 100% for me when I got a yeast infection and took only 2 days. Check out Gabriel Cousens level 1 diet. Works perfectly!

[Sharon in Colorado]

You might have to lay off the higher glycemic fruits until you get it under control, then slowly add them back in. Here's a chart, scroll down to the fruit section: http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/glycemicfoodchart.htm I did not see berries on there, which are pretty low.

[karenbeel]

Hi Misslinda thank you so much for replying to my posting thats so nice of you to take the time to do that. I am actually working with a TCM Dr long distance in CA she is very good and I have been taking some herbs along with her diet which now she only recommends 1/4 cup very low sugar fruits a day. I do know all about leaky gut and have had very bad skin rashes on my face and neck due to my health issues and that is almost 100% healed YAY!!!! I also have interstitial cystitis which is not a very pleasant thing either and I still struggle with that a bit. I know that candida does play a role in all of this and I know that going raw is the right way for me to go. I'm just not sure if I am going about this in the right way, especially with the higher fruit consumption and then the symptoms re occuring, I have a slight ache in the back of my neck and head now as I sit here. I also wanted to know is it normal to have about 5 quite large BM's a day this has only happend since adding in more fruit where as before I was doing mainly just green smoothies and salads and veg and was only having 1 or maybe 2 BM's a day. I was trying to be so good and stay away from fruit but I am only able to do it for a month or so. I read about 8/1/1 and thought I would give it a try. Any additional advice and help through this would be greaty appreciated.
Thank you so much for your time.
Karen

[karenbeel]

Thanks Beanie and Sharon for your replies I will look at both the websites you gave me. How long have you stuck to the low glycemic diet in order to get it under control and are you able to eat with out to much restriction now? I miss not being able to just pick up a few nuts or some fruit and not have the symptoms return. Thanks again for replying it means alot to have the support and thats what i really need right now. :D
Karen

[Indi]

Hi
I did 10 days no fruit except for whole apple and 1/2 lemon inc peel in my green juices, then added fruit slowly, a peice every day.

Ive had no problems working this way.
I suffered from excess candida ibs severe bloating, for over 10 years previous to adopting this approach.

I did many exclusion diets over the 10 years including fruit but nothing worked long term.

Its probably not the only way, all that i can say is that it works for me.
You wont know until you try it!

I eat what i like, i just try not to combine heavy fats (avacao, nuts etc) and sugars in the same meal.
It was also a very quick process.
The water fast followed by this approach apparently works faster.
Good luck
happy healing, how ever you choose to do it!

[karenbeel]

Thanks Indi for letting me know the specifics of what you are doing with the 8/1/1 I am so glad that you are finding success and that this is working for you. I will give it a little more time and see what happens. Have a wonderful Sunday and thanks again for sharing your experience :) .
Karen

[misslinda]

Karen, I was just thinking, since you are working with a TCM doctor so what I say won't be foreign to you.

Candida being a fungal condition, is suspetible to "dampness." It wouldn't be a suprise if you react to sugar content foods b/c in TCM, fruits are considered "damp" --Cold foods are also dampening and throws spleen off.

I was also reading that IC may be caused by bacteria--an auto immune repsonse that Candida is as well.

Auto immune conditions have been more and more been linked to that leaky gut you read about in that thread I linked.

How do you react if you eat a radish?

PS you mentioned kness aching.....I wonder if that has to do with the bruising. ;)

[karenbeel]

Hi misslinda thanks for the little extra research you did for me on the candida ect very much appreciated. Yes my TCM Dr is working on the candida and bacteria issues due to the bladder too and boy do I know that it's also an auto immune thing, all of the above issues are linked together. For quite sometime there I was allergic to all foods too due to the leaky gut. My body didn't care what I ate it didn't like it all it all came out through my skin big time. The rashes were mainly on my face and neck and they were red, itchy extremely sore burning rashes so not nice at all. Thank goodness though since seeing this TCM Dr she has slowly been able to correct alot of things but still know I have a ways to go. i must admit though since going raw things have started to improve much faster so I am very excited about that. Anyway I will have my appt with her tomorrow so i will ask her about the dampness you mentioned plus the spleen issue. Once again misslinda I really appreciate all your hard work in researching this for me as always you're a gem. :D THANKS!!!!!!!
Karen

[Stargazer2]

I had candida problems for years, and I followed the directions for a two day water fast followed by 8/1/1. Completely did the trick for me. It also seemed to help with stopping the recurring UTIs I'd suffered from for years as well.

SO thankful that I learned about raw foods--life has certainly changed!

[swingbolder]

Stargazer, do you still eat 811 or was it just something you did immediately after the fast?

[Rainbow]

Karen,

I have a book called Living food lifestyle from Brenda Cobb. She had candida too and she had not eat fruit for 6 months. After she was healed, she can eat fruit now.
Also, for banana, never eat it in frozen. It is too bad to kidney and spleen.
You will be healed.
with blessing

[RawYogini]

Miss Lindy,
I've been researching leaky gut syndrome and read some of your past posts from last year. Can you tell me what you have found that works for you? Where do you get your slippery elm and what brand do you recommend? Thank you so much in advance! :)

[karenbeel]

I had candida problems for years, and I followed the directions for a two day water fast followed by 8/1/1. Completely did the trick for me. It also seemed to help with stopping the recurring UTIs I'd suffered from for years as well.

SO thankful that I learned about raw foods--life has certainly changed!

Hi stargazer Thanks for the info

swingbolder wrote:
Stargazer, do you still eat 811 or was it just something you did immediately after the fast?

I would also like to know if you still eat 811. Just curious. Thanks Karen